The Odyssey, The Sienna and the Pacifica - who wins?

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I really enjoy the comparisons. Gives us a clear picture of the pros and cons and what is important to our specific situation. I found this comparison quite good. Spoiler alert! but we know the Pacifica is going to win out because of the extra details and bits of luxury they added all over the place:)

http://www.businessinsider.com/minivan-comparo-honda-odyssey-toyota-sienna-chrysler-pacifica-2017-9

We drove the Honda Odyssey, the Toyota Sienna, and the Chrysler Pacifica.
We compared cargo space, infotainment systems, and the driving dynamics of each vehicle.
There were a lot of similarities, but one of the minivans stood out among the rest.
Over the past few months, I've been spending some quality time with the three most important minivans in the US market.

It's easy to conclude that all minivans are the same — but they aren't. Each carmaker brings its own mojo to the task of building these versatile family-haulers, which continue to sell decently decades after their introduction but are stigmatized and often overlooked in favor of SUVs.

Our warriors in the Great Minivan Battle of 2017 are the Honda Odyssey, the Toyota Sienna, and the Chrysler Pacifica (formerly the Town & Country).

Can you predict the winner? I thought I could, but there were some surprises along the way.




The mighty Honda Odyssey starts us off.

Here's what I wrote in my review of the feature-packed, $47,610 Elite trim-level test car we sampled: "The versatility is unbeatable and always has been, and Honda has done a great job of updating and upgrading a venerable platform. The latest generation is completely current as far as modern infotainment and connectivity go."

As a former Odyssey owner, I was primed for the 2018 edition of the vehicle — the fifth generation of a minivan that has won long-term fans thanks to Honda's preoccupation with superb engineering. In minivan land, the Odyssey is the BMW of people-haulers.

The Odyssey is known as a "driver's minivan," and while I know that whole concept is preposterous, 0-60 mph in a shocking 6.6 seconds is nothing to sneeze at. The Odyssey's tasty 3.5-liter, 280-horsepower V6, one of the greatest engines available on any vehicle, provides confident merging and passing power, while the steering is responsive and the brakes do a good job of bringing the bulky car to a stop.

The styling has been toned down a bit from the previous generation, but the new Odyssey is still the most flamboyant minivan on the market.

All-wheel drive isn't available, but a 10-speed transmission helps to deliver very decent EPA-rated fuel economy of 19 mpg city/28 highway/22 combined.

The Odyssey is a roomy, versatile vehicle that's easy to live with.

All three of our minivans under consideration checked off the relevant boxes for abundant space for seven or eight passengers and lots of gear. Like the Sienna and the Pacifica, the Odyssey I tested came with power doors and a power liftgate, making getting in and out a breeze.

Just to cut to the chase: It wasn't possible to give any of the three minivans the edge in this department. Some consumers might want to compare cargo capacity, but in practical use, they're all in the same league.

The basic form of the minivan has been perfected at this stage of the same. Unless somebody builds a double-decker version and figures out a way to create a Tardis effect for the interior, that isn't going to change.

Yes, the operation of seats can vary, and in the case of the Odyssey it was quite easy to configure everything so that access to the third row was easy. But that wasn't enough to tip things decisively in Honda's favor.

As for cupholders: There are many.


Honda's infotainment and audio system is very good — but not great. Overall technology is excellent.

The infotainment setup was all I could find to complain about in the Odyssey. Both Honda and Toyota are lagging the industry on this front.

However, the Odyssey's system gets the job done and doesn't lack for anything consumers would expect, from Bluetooth connectivity to a second-row entertainment screen. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are available, and you have plenty of places to plug in a USB cable to connect or recharge.

Safety for the Odyssey is typically superb — our tester's model year hadn't yet been rated by the government — with airbags everywhere, and a suite of driver-assist features enhances the highway-cruising aspect of the vehicle.

Bottom line is that the new Odyssey is as good as it ever was — but in a few places, it could be better. Our test vehicle came with an onboard vacuum, by the way, which counts toward extra credit.

On to the venerable Toyota Sienna.

Toyota's minivan had more in store for it than Honda's. In my review, I wrote:

"Over the course of a few days, I threw many challenges at the 2017 Sienna, a well-optioned, $41,700 SE Premium trim (the base model is about $30,000).

"And I do mean many: a round-trip to pick up four kids from camp, plus all their equipment, as well as a jaunt to a lakefront hideaway with two kids and an extra adult. In between, I threw in some trips to Home Depot and the grocery store."

I was being a bit unfair to the Sienna, treating it like a workhorse while the Odyssey got off with less demanding suburban-dad duty.

The Sienna has a 3.5-liter V6 under the hood, and it's bulletproof. It cranks out an impressive 296 horsepower and enables the vehicle to accelerate from 0-60 in less than eight seconds — just what parents in need of freeway merging and passing power want.

This is one of the infrequently praised aspects of minivans: With curbs weights that can push 5,000 pounds, they need solid power. It's pretty easy to get the Sienna moving well north of the legal speed limit — something owners need to be mindful of — because all that bulk soaks up any sense of velocity.

Fuel economy is fair: 19 mpg city/27 highway/22 combined, but in the same ballpark as the Honda. The Sienna is the only minivan in the US that can be had with all-wheel drive, which brings those numbers down.

If the Odyssey is the BMW of minivans, the Sienna is the Mercedes. The Odyssey is sort of fun to drive, while the Sienna isn't. It doesn't drive badly, but it is classic Toyota — soft, easygoing, quiet, undemanding. And the styling ... well, look at the picture. There isn't much.


The Sienna is also a roomy, versatile vehicle that's easy to live with.

Wait, didn't I write exactly the same thing about the Odyssey?

Yes, I did. Our Sienna tester had power everything and plenty of space, as well as a comfortable interior that could be configured for up to eight people. Again, no edge to the other Japanese — yet entirely US-made — minivan in our contest.

However ...

I did cram the Sienna with gear, and it brushed off the challenge.

The Sienna is a little boring, but when push comes to shove — wow! This minivan could transport five kids and two weeks' worth of each's summer-camp gear with grace and dignity.



The infotainment and audio/entertainment systems in the Sienna are, to be honest, behind the times.

The navigation setup is fine, the audio is adequate, and the Bluetooth/USB connectivity is present. So all the boxes are checked for the modern minivan enthusiast who wants and needs technology. But the Sienna has the worst infotainment offering of our three contenders.

Driver-assist features are more or less up to date, but backup cameras and blind-spot warnings have been relegated to "expected" by most new buyers, who want adaptive cruise control and more elaborate collision-avoidance tech. I thought the Sienna was advantaged by the lack of bells and whistles — some of the newer tech is distracting and intrusive.

Toyota is well aware that it's squeezing the last days out of the Sienna's aging iteration, but using the vehicle for its intended purposes is a reminder that while newer is often better, it doesn't always radically redress the use case.

The bottom line is that is that if you buy the Sienna, you might find yourself gazing enviously at the Odyssey or Pacifica. But your minivan won't let you down in any major way.


I will acknowledge up front that the 2018 Pacifica we tested came with the only plug-in hybrid drivetrain currently available for a minivan in the US, so the fight isn't entirely fair. But Chrysler is selling this option while Honda and Toyota aren't — and Toyota is the king of the hybrid hill — so I think the Pacifica is game.

Our tester was a $47,885 Hybrid Platinum trim level — about the same as the Odyssey we sampled, but thousands more than the Sienna.

In my review, I wrote, "The Pacifica doesn't miss a trick, and the addition of the hybrid option, with a tasty 30-plus miles of all-EV range possible, means that for daily kid-transport duty, this machine could be a true money-saver."

I'm not going to say the Pacifica is exhilarating to drive. It isn't. The 0-60 mph run consumes about eight seconds, which is respectable considering the Pacifica weighs almost 5,000 pounds.

The Pacifica is, however, fantastic at soaking up bumps and keeping road and wind noise to a minimum. Cruising at freeway velocities is a dream, and tooling around town is fine, though as with all minivans you have to aware of where the vehicle begins and ends to avoid minor bumps and scrapes.

Our tester had a 3.6-liter V6 yoked to a hybrid electric system whose two electric motors provide 260 total horsepower. Other Pacificas get a straight 3.6-liter V6, making 287 horsepower. The hybrid has a CVT transmission, while the nonhybrid has a nine-speed automatic.

On gas alone, the Pacifica's combined city/highway is 32 mpg, while "MPGe" is 84, a consequence of being able to run the minivan on electric power alone for 33 miles, according to the carmaker.



The Pacifica's interior is much nicer than either the Odyssey's or the Sienna's. For what it's worth, I also think the exterior styling is far more suave and sophisticated.

But this is nothing new. The Town & Country that the Pacifica replaces had, to my eye, a nicer interior than the competition.

The Odyssey is the BMW of minivans. The Sienna is the Mercedes. But the Pacifica is the Cadillac.


In my review, I wrote: "Chrysler's Uconnect is something of a sleeper in the world of auto tech. It's solid, but not showy. In our testing, it does an excellent job of getting the job done. The seven-inch screen could be larger, but it's far from alarmingly small."

Basically, Chrysler has taken it beyond the basics of Bluetooth connectivity and USB integration and delivered an up-to-date infotainment setup as good as what you'd find in a luxury SUV.

Neither Japanese carmaker has a minivan-infotainment offering as current as what Chrysler has in the Pacifica. This might not be a deal-breaker for minivan buyers, but these days consumers are getting quite demanding when it comes to this stuff. Chrysler has this one covered.

Overall technology for the Pacifica is on par with the Odyssey and superior to the Sienna. A host of driver-assist features are also in the house, ranging from blind-spot and cross-traffic warnings to front-collision warnings, adaptive cruise control, lane-departure warnings, and many, many airbags.

And this big winner? It's the Pacifica!
 
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